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Message started by Paul Walters on Mar 26th, 2013, 5:40am

Title: Little Outliner
Post by Paul Walters on Mar 26th, 2013, 5:40am

Dave Winer has introduced a new product, Little Outliner, that might eventually evolve into an interesting companion to Tinderbox.  For now, only a single outline is possible, it is stored locally and accessed in a browser.  Small Picture says features will eventually evolve into support for "networks of outlines" and collaboration.  Today, Little Outliner imports OPML, and displays it in the browser, from where it can be copied and saved to a new OPML file.  Small stuff, but worth watching as the service evolves.

Title: Re: Little Outliner
Post by Mark Anderson on Mar 26th, 2013, 6:28am

Interesting.  It is seemingly using HTML5 local storage to store the outline.

Congruent with original OPML specification, 'notes' only have a title (TB $Name) and no $Text equivalent. IIRC, it was OmniGroup's OmniOutliner that popularised the '_note' OPML attribute that  some OML-handling apps will accept as a container for note $Text. That said the app's document hints at other item attributes, though I don't think the author (and OPML inventor - I believe) has an interest in a richer Outline structure such as the likes of TB support.

I found one shortcut Cmd+\ conflicted on my Mac - in my safari that opens the 1Password plug-in.

Title: Re: Little Outliner
Post by Sumner Gerard on Mar 26th, 2013, 1:34pm

Looks nice and simple. A stated aim is to be platform independent, but am guessing Mobile Safari (iPad) currently doesn't have enough HTML5 support to handle it??

Title: Re: Little Outliner
Post by Mark Anderson on Mar 26th, 2013, 3:06pm

Seems to work (testing the very basics) on my iPad2 (iOS 6.1.3). iOS certainly has less space devoted to local storage than a desktop browser but I doubt - for light use - that it would be a factor. It's harder to use via a touch interface but does seem to work (likely on a 'droid too) and in the discussion forum Dave W says they're working on improving tablet support. I suspect right now the app is under constant change as people start to try it.

Title: Re: Little Outliner
Post by Mark Anderson on Mar 27th, 2013, 6:52am

Round tripping to/from TB seems to work. As yet, LittleOutliner isn't fully supporting note/item data other than $Name and $Created data, but I'm sure that will change.

If importing, note that you get a silent fail. You'll have to figure out the error. For instance I used an old OPML file that omitted the </opml> closing tag.  The file passed (!) the OPML validator tool but failed for LO import, until I added the missing tag.

Title: Re: Little Outliner
Post by Paul Walters on Apr 18th, 2013, 5:32am

Winer has extended the product offering mentioned above to include Fargo, which supports multiple files and saves the .opml outlines to Dropbox (useful for working on a smart device) and a few other features.

If you have notifications turned on and Dropbox included in the Notification Center, it will natter you about the file update every time you press enter on a new or changed line of text.

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