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Message started by Ellen Madono on Nov 19th, 2016, 5:54am

Title: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Nov 19th, 2016, 5:54am

I am looking for a way to quickly jump between two notes that are in different containers.

In more detail, this is what I am doing.
reference/source note 1:
I want to be able to quickly look at a growing list of notes.  These notes are grouped and they keep changing.  

Destination container note 2:
I am organizing other notes and classifying some of them in a container that is separate from the above container of note 1.  As I work on the notes in container note 2, note 1 will keep changing, but I want my work in Note 2 to reflect the changes in Note 1.  

So, I need to jump between the two notes without many procedures.

What aspect of tbx will help me to make this possible?  I want to quickly go between Container/Note 1 and Container/Note 2.  

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Bernstein on Nov 19th, 2016, 9:26am

Two tabs?

A link between the notes?

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Nov 19th, 2016, 10:21pm

Thank-you.  So, simple.   :)

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Nov 19th, 2016, 10:35pm

I wouldn't use the link between notes, but I have not been able to figure out how to jump between the destination and origin of the links.  

I can make links between two notes in one note and can copy it to another container, but each link needs to be made separately.  So, the tab is easier.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by David Bertenshaw on Nov 20th, 2016, 8:56am

Say you have two notes, Note A and Note B, and you link them.

Then if you're in Note A, Note > Navigate (cmd-enter) will take you to Note B.

Note > Back (cmd-') will take you back to Note A.

Does that help a little?

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Nov 20th, 2016, 10:29am

If you click on a link the the text of a note, Tinderbox loads the target note in the text pane.  whether or not the view pane shows the note depends on whether the target note is in scope of the current view when you follow the link. So if you're using a map view and the target is not on the same map the view still shows the existing map but with nothing selected.

Next, remember all notes in Tinderbox are uni-directional. So a link from note A to note B goes from A to B. However if you want to navigate between notes - even using basic-type (note-level) links. Roadmap is your friend. If A links to B but B doesn't link to A it's no problem as the Roadmap list both inbound and outbound links. Double-clicking any link set text pane focus to that link. So even though B may have no explicit link to A, in B's Roadmap double-clicking A in the inbound links will navigate back to A.  If that's confusing, make a small text TBX and try it. If you want to use Roadmap as a navigation tool, open it for any note and drag the pop-over so it tears off as a stand alone window and now you're ready to navigate.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Nov 21st, 2016, 2:20am

Hi,

I tried making a note just to make the jump to the note that is outside that container.  Clearly, I have made the link since I see an additional arrow below the link widget.   I can also bring up the roadmap pop up.  

What I am missing in my understanding is how to quickly go to the desires destination.  

I put the name of the note in the button above the text window.  Nothing happens there either.  

Obviously because I am in a different container, I am having trouble.  David Bertenshaws suggestion of the ⌘ enter and ⌘' work only within the same container.  Toggling.  Here I am going to different containers.

Thanks for all your help.

Best,
Ellen Madono

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Nov 21st, 2016, 2:25am

It seems simpler to give the folder an odd but memorable name and use the ⌘f function.  I named the folder sx1  and it is the only folder with that name, so I can go directly to it. :)

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Nov 21st, 2016, 8:45am

The Cmd+Return shortcut David Bertenshaw cited works on Basic (note-to-note) links but not, it seems, on text (text-to-note) links; why the difference I'm not sure. If there is more than one basic link, Cmd+Return follows the first basic link (as per the list seen in the note's Browse links).

Once a link has been followed the Cmd+' shortcut will return to the previous note - i.e. slightly different link type matching than the above shortcut.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by David Bertenshaw on Nov 21st, 2016, 11:03am

Ellen,

Navigating between linked Notes 1 and 2 using the shortcuts definitely works even if they are in different containers -- which is what I thought you asked for.

TBH, I don't really understand precisely what you're trying to do, sorry. Perhaps a screenshot would help?


(BTW Mark's point about the text link to note not accepting cmd-return is right of course, but in that case you can still click on the link to follow it and cmd-' to get back. Or am I missing something?)

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Nov 21st, 2016, 12:32pm

@David, no you're right, for a text link you can just click it.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Nov 27th, 2016, 2:09am

I took a photo of the set up where the links are in the same container as I think of it. †Under the note called sx1 link, there is another note called Mang. †I actually want sx1 link to be in the note Mang where I do most of my work. †I don't want it in itís current location on the photo.

The question is, how do I get a link from a note in Mang to bring me to the folder called sx1?



Hope my image file shows up. :)

[edit]Edit to BBCode mark-up to try and fix the image link
Later: no that just made the whole thing disappear - I'm guessing because there was only a filename and no URL[/edit]

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Nov 27th, 2016, 8:49am

Unfortunately your image doesn't show, for 2 reasons.  Firstly, the closing ']' on the closing 'img' forum mark-up tag is missing. But, more importantly you've not given a web url for access to the image.  If you don't have web space on which you can place the image and you have Dropbox put it in one of your Dropbox folders, right-click and you can get a url that would work in this scenario.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Nov 27th, 2016, 9:43pm



Above is the image that I copied from my dropbox site.  Hope you can see it.

You can see that I can make a link.  The problem is, I want to put the note "sx1 link into the folder named "mang" right below it.  I want to make a link with the folder named sx1.  

Is that possible?  Mechanically what do I do to go to sx1 from Mang?

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by David Bertenshaw on Nov 28th, 2016, 2:17am

The link to your Dropbox site seems to be broken, Ellen, as no picture is showing (just the 'no picture' icon).

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10002711/Screenshot%202016-11-28%2007.15.20.png

This is what I did to post the above screenshot.

Save the screenshot to my Dropbox/Pubic file then right-click on it and choose Copy Public Link.

Then copy the link into this forum, highlight it and make it into a link (NB, not an image). i.e. use


Code:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10002711/Screenshot%202016-11-28%2007.15.20.png


It seems to need URL tags not IMG to work.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Nov 28th, 2016, 4:17am

The 'img' tag work file for me. This is @David's URL above set in img tags:



The code use in the post to display the above:


Code:

If you use the 'url' tag, as in the previous post above, it still works though the reader has to click on the URL and open its target to see the image itself. Take your pick!  :)

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by David Bertenshaw on Nov 28th, 2016, 6:04am

Mark,

Using the IMG tag didn't work for me when I posted my screenshot -- I tested it. Using IMG shows the same 'broken image' icon with my screenshot it did with hers.

The only way I could get it to post was via URL.

Wonder if this is a forum permissions thing -- you're an administrator and we're not.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Nov 28th, 2016, 7:45am

David - for clarity, my last wasn't meant in any way to be critique. As to the img tag issue, your suggestion it might be permission is sensible but I can't see any settings in the admin panel that suggest such problem. Although no one can upload files/images to the forum there is nothing - no setting - stopping linking to online resources as URLs ('url' tag) or embedded images ('img' tag)

I can't see anything stopping users posting images in posts. I think the only limitation is the img tags must enclose a full valid URL - which yours looks to be. FWIW, the tags names aren't case-sensitive.

Odd. Oh well, at least URLs seems to work. Thanks for the feedback though

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by David Bertenshaw on Nov 28th, 2016, 12:00pm

I didn't take it as a critique at all! I was just clarifying and wondering whether it was an administrator thing.

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Dec 2nd, 2016, 3:35pm

Dear David,

I tried to create a shared folder, but it asks for an Email address. I don't have one for you or the forum so obviously I'm not understanding.  Maybe we should  forget worrying about this and wait for the new forum to start working.

I went to the new forum, and may be putting up images is going to be more friendly for a non-tech person. The form itself certainly looks much nicer.

I love the description of the group for the application. "For people who have forgotten what they did last year." That's me. I gave up last year. So I'm trying to forget that experience, and start all over again.

Best,
Ellen

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Dec 2nd, 2016, 4:16pm

I wrote that category description.  I often forget things...  :(

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Dec 2nd, 2016, 4:33pm

I wanted to post a photo and couldn't follow David's directions.  Not his problem.  I am just ignorant.  Anxious to begin the new forum.

This issue is not driving me nuts, so I think I will just drop it until I get more basic problems solved.  Thank-you for trying Mark.  Some people just don't get it very easily.  ;)  I have other better qualities than messing with the computer.  I always think, maybe the light will go on tomorrow.  

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Mark Anderson on Dec 2nd, 2016, 5:07pm


Quote:
Some people just don't get it very easily.

don't be too harsh on yourself.  Lots of things aren't obvious after the fact.  12+ years of writing public hypertext for others has pushed to the realsie it's only vaguely right when people stop saying they can't find what they need (actually: don't recognise what they see). It's certainly changed my approach to writing hypertext and informed my current PhD studies.

The new forum's up but I'm not who's supposed to be using it - why not drop an email (info@eastgate.com) to Eastgate if you want to get an account set up?

Title: Re: Jumping between two separate container notes.
Post by Ellen Madono on Dec 2nd, 2016, 5:10pm

Thanks.  That is really true.  I am not seeing what is there, but I don't know what I am supposed to be looking for.

My new motto is to try not to drop a topic without trying several times.

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