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The Excellent Intro we've all been asking for! (Read 25867 times)
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The Excellent Intro we've all been asking for!
Apr 29th, 2011, 2:54am
 
How I wish the eastgate site had available something this instructive and helpful for all of us 'newbies'...all of us 'what's this really about?'....and, 'how the heck do I make it work?'

This would have been SOO helpful, and exemplifies what I know I was looking for and unable to find.  Enjoy!  Smiley

http://mac.appstorm.net/reviews/productivity-review/taking-the-information-plung...
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Reply #1 - Apr 29th, 2011, 7:01am
 
A very useful tutorial indeed.
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Reply #2 - Apr 30th, 2011, 4:24pm
 
It is very cool and persuasive, like the old ATPM review.  Hats off to our friend the author!

Question:  I've been working too hard to keep up with the changes over the last year, but....

Shouldn't the agent rename box about halfway down be $Rating=4 and $Color=cyan?
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Reply #3 - Apr 30th, 2011, 5:35pm
 
Actually, the query should be (current best practice):

$Rating = 4 | $Rating = 4.5   N.B. all white space optional (i.e. ignored)

...and Rule:

$Color = "cyan"   N.B. all white space optional (i.e. ignored)

The code as seen in the article works due to legacy code support. Leave legacy support on, many people don't change their coding style; turn it off and as many would complain their code had broken. I don't envy anyone making that choice!

[Post-edit: as Mark B's later answer shows, I'd made an assumption $Rating was a Number-type attribute.]
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Reply #4 - Apr 30th, 2011, 5:37pm
 
In Figure 5, it would be better to enclose the color in quotes and to remember the "$"

    Color=cyan        <--OK
    $Color="cyan"   <-- BETTER

In figure 12, the query

    $Rating="3.5" | $Rating="4"

is correct if $Rating is a string. If it's a number, the quotation marks are not needed.
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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2011, 4:03pm
 
I just got back from a couple trips and saw this. Excellent tutorial. I learned some new things I want to try. Thanks for posting the link, Deb. And the clarifications by Mark, Jean, and Mark.  Smiley
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Reply #6 - May 3rd, 2011, 12:36pm
 
This is a great review; thanks very much for the link!

We're working on some introductory-level screencasts on concepts like prototypes and attributes, which might be difficult for new users to understand and manipulate. And a new tutorial CD is on the way!

If there is anything, specifically, that you think would be good additions to these resources, we'd love to hear about it. We're definitely listening! Smiley
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Reply #7 - May 3rd, 2011, 5:00pm
 
For me, a detailed introduction and samples of templates would be good; then another on exports.
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Reply #8 - May 3rd, 2011, 8:47pm
 
Re export. I did a series of TBX that were worked examples of basic forms of HTML and Text export for TB weekend in San Francisco 09 and I think they've been on all meeting CDs since. I've also contributed similar examples, with syntax updated to date, for the next CD.

From experience, a genuine problem when writing such demos is 'simple' means very different things to different groups of users, with each 'just' wanting a 'simple' - but ergo different - demo!
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Reply #9 - May 3rd, 2011, 8:53pm
 
Thanks, Mark. I have not been to any training sessions. Unfortunately as a pastor/seminary president, this limits my ability to get to them now. Are the CDs available elsewhere separately?
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Reply #10 - May 3rd, 2011, 11:05pm
 
The CDs are on the Tinderbox weekend page, and in about 2 weeks we will announce a new thing that will make you happy!

    Http://Eastgate.com/Tinderbox/TbxWeekend.html
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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2011, 3:27pm
 
And here is another plug for TB, based on your guest blogging, Mark B, and the intro noted above. Amazing testimony to this great piece of software.
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Reply #12 - Dec 21st, 2011, 11:19am
 
Just a quick thank you for the link to this informative and useful tutorial. I have been about a week trying to understand how to use TB without much success.

I am a long-time user of Scrivener for plotting and structuring screenplays and novels. I thought TB was going to be a compliment to that program as it came as a special offer from Scrivener. If I had known how complicated it is, I would never have shelled out the money for it.

But now that I have it, I would like to learn to use it.

I think the appstorm article has finally got me on track!

Thanks again.
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Reply #13 - Dec 21st, 2011, 11:43am
 
Thanks for stopping by, and do ask if you get stuck.
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Reply #14 - Dec 21st, 2011, 2:45pm
 
Richard, you might check out the Tutorial Volume released over the summer:

http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/Tutorial_CD.html

And we're working on a new volume as well!  

Also, as Mark said, please ask if you get stuck! We have a very friendly and helpful community.  Or, if you prefer you can always email eastgate directly (I'm happy to help!)  smason [atsign] eastgate.com
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