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Lucas D
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"Create child note" and other outlining commands
May 09th, 2011, 8:13pm
 
In response to Steve Zeoli's recent review of Tinderbox at appstorm.net, James Katt commented that Tinderbox's outliner didn't allow him to "brainstorm quickly". I'm not sure exactly what he was getting at, but in my case, I often hop over to OmniOutliner when I want to rapidly note down some thoughts, because I like to do so in outliner form, and the outlining commands in OmniOutliner are more robust. With just a few additional commands, however, Tinderbox would be all I need.

The most important command for me would be "Create child note". As of now, I just press 'Return' to create a sibling, then type the text, then press return again to leave 'Edit in Place' mode, and then press 'Tab' to indent. But I would find it easier to keep up with the flow of my thinking if I could just press one command and immediately be editing text in a child position.

Less crucial, but also highly useful, would be "Add Aunt" and "Add sibling above".

If these commands are already possibly, I'd of course be interested to know how to do it. And otherwise, I'd like to suggest these commands as features.

(Let me know if this has been discussed before. I took a look but didn't find anything.)
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Reply #1 - May 9th, 2011, 8:24pm
 
Follow-up thought: I suppose there must be some way to use Applescript or some other automation method to create a keyboard shortcut that would implement a series of two existing commands, right? If so, can anyone give me any leads on how to go about that? Thanks. [Sorry if this is drifting into something that should be in a different forum section...]
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Reply #2 - May 9th, 2011, 10:40pm
 
Tinderbox has quite a few keyboard commands useful for outlining (and "brainstorming").  Take a look at the Note menu, and at the contextual menu - where you would find "Create Child", which has the shortcut Shift-Return assigned to it.
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Reply #3 - May 9th, 2011, 11:11pm
 
Thanks, Paul. That was embarrassing. I kept looking over the 'Note' menu, but forgot to check the contextual menu. [Moderator--feel free to retire this thread.]
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Reply #4 - May 10th, 2011, 3:03am
 
@Lucas, aTbRef lists all TB keyboard shortcuts. The easiest overview of what's covered is to look at the Reverse Look-up Map. That page lists shortcuts by key and modifier: all A key based, then B, etc. It is also useful in seeing what shortcut key combos aren't mapped.

Besides Return (new note) and Shift+Return (new child note), Cmd+Up-arrow or Cmd+down arrow will move a note's sibling position up or down one place, whilst Tab and Shift+Tab demote or promote a note one outline level (i.e. make child of previous sibling, or promote child to sibling).

Note that now many Mac keyboards lack an Enter key (IIRC it's only on PowerPC laptops and extended keyboards) either Fn+Return and Ctrl+C also open the note Rename dialog instead of using the Enter key.
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Reply #5 - May 10th, 2011, 12:29pm
 
To follow up: Now that we've got "Create Child" out of the way (sorry, again, for my oversight), I guess my feature request (or "how could I do this" question) is to be able to "Create Aunt" (below, as in OmniOutliner) and "Create Sibling Above" with single commands. Based on the information provided here, I still don't see a way to do that. (I recognize, of course, that these probably don't constitute standard outlining commands, but I do find them useful.)
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Reply #6 - May 10th, 2011, 12:45pm
 
To create an 'aunt', it's 2 commands:
- make a note
- Shift+Tab (promote as next sibling to current parent)

To make what I assume is thus called an 'uncle', it's 3 commands:
- make a note
- Shift+Tab (promote as next sibling to current parent)
- Cmd+Up arrow (move note above it's previous sibling)
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Reply #7 - May 10th, 2011, 1:57pm
 
Thanks, Mark. It's good to have that summary for reference. Just for the sake of clarity, I was specifically referring to the ability to be able create an "aunt" and a "sibling above" with single commands, which is not currently possible as far as I can tell.

(One other clarification: By 'sibling above' I meant a note at the same hierarchical level but above the current note. Currently this can be done by creating a new note and then using Cmd+Up. Creating an 'uncle' note, as you indicated, is not something I had been thinking of, but of course that would be handy as a single command too.)
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Reply #8 - May 10th, 2011, 2:32pm
 
Another way to make an 'aunt'.  From the stating child, click left-arrow, which selects the current parent.  Now Return gets you a new next sibling & aunt to the starting note.

If you need to specify loads of extra shortcuts there are several keyboard shortcut managers that get mentioned here by users any one of which might aid you creating the extra shortcuts (for use with the current release)
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Reply #9 - May 10th, 2011, 4:01pm
 
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Another way to make an 'aunt'.  From the stating child, click left-arrow, which selects the current parent.  Now Return gets you a new next sibling & aunt to the starting note.

Ah, thanks, good idea---I should have thought that. While still 2 steps, that's a much more efficient method.
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If you need to specify loads of extra shortcuts there are several keyboard shortcut managers that get mentioned here by users any one of which might aid you creating the extra shortcuts (for use with the current release)

Sounds like I'd better do my own research, but perhaps someone can tell me: do such keyboard managers allow for the execution of 2-step commands with a single shortcut? For general purposes, OS X's built-in shortcut functionality seems to do the trick, but perhaps I should try out a third-party app.
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Reply #10 - May 11th, 2011, 8:09pm
 
Keyboard Maestro is terrific. http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/

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Reply #11 - May 11th, 2011, 8:38pm
 
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Keyboard Maestro is terrific. http://www.keyboardmaestro.com/main/

Thanks, Jack! Keyboard Maestro works perfectly. I now have single keyboard shortcuts executing the multi-step commands described above, which is exactly what I was looking for. (And clearly I'm only scratching the surface of Keyboard Maestro's potential.)
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