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Reply #15 - Oct 09th, 2014, 12:30pm
 
EXACTLY !

That is what I meant by jumping from one note to the other that "located far away".

When using large documents with many notes, this can be vital.
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Reply #16 - Oct 9th, 2014, 12:51pm
 
Woud an alternative interface be a submenu in the View menu

    View ▸ Recent Notes ▸

by analogy to "Recent Files"?
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Reply #17 - Oct 9th, 2014, 1:34pm
 
Presumably that would be gated to N recent items. v5 History was session-scope was it not? The menu idea is nice but in a busy doc an MRU list might not be long enough (depending on # items allowed!).
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Re: Navigation in Tinderbox Six
Reply #18 - Oct 9th, 2014, 3:05pm
 
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I don't know where JOHN STEINBECK is in the document. I suppose I could search. †But if I had a history list, I'd just scroll back and there it would be.

Is this the scenario people have in mind?

Exactamento.
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Reply #19 - Oct 11th, 2014, 3:39am
 
Mark Bernstein asks: Quote:
Woud an alternative interface be a submenu in the View menu

   View ▸ Recent Notes ▸

by analogy to "Recent Files"?


YES ! that would be excellent.
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Reply #20 - Oct 11th, 2014, 7:59am
 
At the risk of stating the obvious:

A submenu with a list of recent notes would be great, but please include in the menu something like 'Previous' and 'Next' so that (with keyboard shortcuts assigned) one could navigate backwards and forwards by means of the keyboard alone.

This is the functionality which Rigas originally asked about, and the one that I would find most helpful.

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Reply #21 - Oct 11th, 2014, 8:09am
 
James is right about Back and Forward arrows with a keyboard shortcut, but please not [+⌘ or ]+⌘  not accessible in a French keyboard (the [ in French kbd is ⌥ + Shift + opening parenthesis)  , ... although, okay, I know, we are small minority Smiley
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Reply #22 - Oct 11th, 2014, 12:37pm
 
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A submenu with a list of recent notes would be great, but please include in the menu something like 'Previous' and 'Next' so that (with keyboard shortcuts assigned) one could navigate backwards and forwards by means of the keyboard alone.

This is the functionality which Rigas originally asked about, and the one that I would find most helpful.


FWIW, I think the original request was for something like the old History view, which had a list of a lot of recently viewed notes but did not (to my recollection) have Previous/Next commands or buttons. http://www.acrobatfaq.com/atbref5/index/Views/Minorviews/Historyview.html

So I agree that having those Prev/Next menu labels would be great, for those of us who would like to assign keyboard shortcuts to it. But from my POV, having something like the previous History functionality, with a list of recent notes, would be a big step on its own, whether or not it can be burnished with this additional convenience.
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Reply #23 - Oct 11th, 2014, 2:46pm
 
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FWIW, I think the original request was for something like the old History view

Well, fwiw, Rigas began by asking:
"Where is 'Go back' and 'Navigate' of Tbx 5?"

Anyway, v5 did/does have a "Go Back" command under the "Note" menu with Cmd-[ assigned and this does indeed go to the previously viewed note.
There's also a "Navigate" menu item, with Cmd-] assigned, but it doesn't work for me on 5.12.
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Reply #24 - Oct 16th, 2014, 10:55am
 
Short of a history browser, I consult five agents:
$Modified="today"
$Modified="yesterday"
($Modified < "today - 2 days ") &! ($Modified < "today - 8 days ")
($Modified < "today - 8 days ") &! ($Modified < "today - 30 days ")
($Modified < "today - 31 days ") &! ($Modified < "today - 90 days ")

For me, this is good enough to identify notes that I have been working with in the recent past.

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Reply #25 - Oct 16th, 2014, 12:11pm
 
Thanks for sharing. Queries ignore spaces outside quoted strings, but I think your join, in syntax terms is ') & !(' as opposed to ') &! ('. The point, for the learner that the the !(Ö) contruct negates, i.e. flips, the condition in the parentheses. Thus:

($Modified < "today - 8 days ") evaluates 'true' if $Modified is more than 8 days ago

butÖ

!($Modified < "today - 8 days ") evaluates 'false' if $Modified is more than 8 days ago, as the leading exclamation makes '!' flips the operation.

It is useful where there is no reverse operator set, such as a 'does not contain' test. Wheras == has != and < has >. The latter could have been used to replace < in the latter above and thus not need the '!', but this also shows there's often more than one perfectly valid syntax to get to the same outcome (i.e. no specific right/wrong to the choice).

You may see examples like !$SomeAttribute, but I recall this can confuses TB's parser and !($SomeAttribute) is recommended instead. As the examples above show, you can as easily put an expression in the parentheses as a single attribute name


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Reply #26 - Oct 16th, 2014, 12:21pm
 
Christian , thanks


Edited:
...$Modified="today"
$Modified="yesterday"
($Modified < "today - 2 days ") &! ($Modified < "today - 8 days ")
($Modified < "today - 8 days ") &! ($Modified < "today - 30 days ")
($Modified < "today - 31 days ") &! ($Modified < "today - 90 days ")


This works when notes are modified. Would like to have this when they are visited.

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Reply #27 - Oct 16th, 2014, 12:31pm
 
$SelectionCount and $ReadCount do sort of track that but unless you're storing old values somewhere to compare them with current ones, it doesn't help much. Thus, I do think there's a valid need for the old History view, even if not everyone uses it.
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Reply #28 - Aug 13th, 2015, 2:37am
 
Late to this party but I want to add my voice here.  I hadn't realised two of the things I use most frequently aren't yet restored in 6.1.3.  They're both pretty crucial and while I'll put in a request directly to MB, I want to put it up here to see if it suits, or arouses wrath in, any other users.

(1) Scenario: poodling around notes looking for Emergent Structure - Tb's unique skill.  I remember seeing a note n notes ago which should be linked to the one I'm looking at right now. But what was it?  If I can have a Go Back In History/Go Forward In History keystroke it would be so easy.  And the History (on whose information this would rely) should ideally have its own View as well ("I know it was around *then*, the nearest we can get to the old codex trick of "I know it was around *there*").

(2) The old [ and ] for following links back/forward is also useful. A different purpose -- re-orienting yourself -- but equally good for rapid work. Raising Roadmap or Browse Links windows is too cumbersome for rapid connection-spotting, I find.

Left to my own devices, I'd have cmd-[ and cmd-] for going back and forward in History (a de facto standard command) and something else for travelling back and forward along links. Others may disagree.

But both of these are crucial to the way I use Tbx.  Without them, I can easily get lost while browsing my stuff looking for connections;  moreover, the old routine of
--spot a note
--park a link
--find the one I saw a few minutes ago, about which the only thing I remember is that I saw it a few minutes ago
--go there with a few keystrokes if it was close, or via the History view if it was over the other side of the file's solar system,
--make the link

...just doesn't work.  It reduces the scope for "Aha!" moments, which is, for me, one of Tb's great & unique strengths.
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Reply #29 - Aug 13th, 2015, 10:50am
 
Link-following and selection do follow undo, but I see that better access to the history stack is desirable. One particularly convincing scenario is:

a) Follow a link to from "Abilene" to "Omaha."

b) Notice a mistake in the text. Correct it.

c) I want to check that the mistake isnít in Abilene as well. Undo wonít help, because I donít want to Undo my correction. And Abilene is nowhere near Omaha, so I can't easily go home again.

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