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Re: Tinderbox and mobile platforms (iPad Pro)
Reply #15 - Mar 30th, 2016, 10:48am
 
The atbref looks like it covers much detail. But on the assumption that nothing is as obvious as you think:

1. Open document preferences in your target tinderbox file.
2. On the 'accounts' tab, enter your simplenote account details and any tags you'd like to select.
3. (hopefully) watch it all appear...

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Reply #16 - Mar 30th, 2016, 11:13am
 
[img][/img] Quote:
1. Open document preferences in your target tinderbox file.
2. On the 'accounts' tab, enter your simplenote account details and any tags you'd like to select.
3. (hopefully) watch it all appear...


Steps 1 and 2 work just fine for me! Unfortunately, nothing happens for me (yet) at step 3. Have the proper password and Simplenote ID; have it set to sync; have opened and closed multiple TB files after setting them up this way. And so far, no new Simplenote container at the root level, and no synched notes. Will keep experimenting.

Here's a linked Dropbox photo of the way the configuration pane looks in Tinderbox. In the real pane, my real email address is filled in. I have specified the TB tag for notes I want to import; the Simplenote file has a number of notes with that tag, with same capitalization. (But the sync doesn't work even with the Tags field left blank.)  https://www.dropbox.com/s/8afmwmzq6e1ulou/TBPane.png?dl=0

Update Just a minute ago, the Simplenote sync came to life! During the two or three minutes when I was posting the Dropbox update, above, the sync kicked into action. I now have the appropriate folder in the right place in Tinderbox. So I guess there is just a little more of a first-time latency issue than I realized. Now all three steps work for me.  
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Reply #17 - Mar 30th, 2016, 2:53pm
 
aTbRef6 will be updated shortly. Done - see here.

Edit - updated as I finished quicker than expected.
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Reply #18 - Mar 30th, 2016, 5:20pm
 
If I were Mark, I wouldn't develop TBx for iPad; I would rather do it for Windows.

There is a big market; larger audience-->more money-->more developement

I also have an iPad. But, my enthusiasm has faded away; and find it very limiting machine. I even have bought a good keyboard to it. But, I am not using it that much. It is not just the great machine for a serious work.

I also heard a rumor  that the effort to develop for IOS was the reason Sente went out of market. They have been sucked by the process; and gave up. I don't want that to happen to Tinderbox. So, if I have the power, I would oppose the idea of the IOS.

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Reply #19 - Apr 12th, 2016, 10:14pm
 
Hm, this is indeed a valid observation. I would not like a drain on Tinderbox either. If I remember correctly, there was once talk of a Tinderbox viewer on iOS? A viewer would be enough for me, but I cannot assess how difficult that would be to create. Nor do I know how much appetite Windows users would have for this sort of application.

Perhaps I should try to export Tbx to html automatically, so I can always read my documents. That should be easy, just never did it.
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Reply #20 - Apr 13th, 2016, 3:27am
 
@Willem. As being discussed elsewhere, there is a bit of set-up to getting export working to one's individual style. However, that's a once only task. Your idea is how aTbRef web pages started, as a way to read the infomation when Tinderbox wasn't to hand for whatever reason. HTML Export doesn't currently export the visual element of maps, charts, timeline, etc.

For anyone wanting timeline, a specialist timleine tool Aeon Timeline has just launched v2.0 and there's a discount until 25 April 2016. You can export data from TB to AT and the latter deos export a pretty sweet HTML timeline. Lovely as it woyuld be to have that in TB, it 's quite a bit of work for something only a few will use. I'd love to see a Map view HTML export one day, as map view is TB's most interesting view yet hard to share.

If you want to experiment with HTML export, here are a few exercise files to show the basics. Just ask here in the forum if you get stuck.
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Reply #21 - Jul 18th, 2016, 5:37pm
 
The Scrivener for iOS will be released in a couple of days. It's very good news actually because I hope this fact will open the way for iPad professional applications!
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Reply #22 - Jul 19th, 2016, 11:15am
 
And, since Tinderbox imports Scrivener files, and exports fairly readily to Scrivener as well, this provides another route to sharing Tinderbox information with your iPad Pro in the short term.
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Reply #23 - Sep 22nd, 2016, 5:02pm
 
I use Ulysses rather than Scrivener.

And having had my iPad Pro for several months now, I confess I used it a lot more than anticipated. Like half of the time and especially when travelling, despite having an Air. Which makes it a lot more important to use Tinderbox on the iPad Pro 9.7 as well (I have had several meetings where I needed to say I did not have the data available as I only had my iPad with me, and that's not good). A viewer would be enough, I'm prepared to edit later. Exporting to html just will not cut it, however.
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Reply #24 - Sep 23rd, 2016, 10:21am
 
I am curious about Mark B's thoughts on how attributes, links and agents would work on iOS.  Without attributes and agents Tinderbox iOS would seem to be little more than a mindmapper, a category with strong players already on iOS (many of which play well with Tinderbox).   Nothing on iOS has anything like agents or attributes.  Is that because they are hard to do on iOS?  Or the market is tiny?  Or why?  

Of course the same questions apply to OSX -- why is Tinderbox unique in remaining unique?  Smiley
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Reply #25 - Sep 23rd, 2016, 11:18am
 
Very briefly, Paul Walters hits on three of four crucial challenges for Tinderbox and iOS.

First, all sorts of mouse gestures familiar to Tinderbox users will need to be rethought for iOS. Much of the user interface will need to be reimagined. That's particularly challenging because you also want Tinderbox documents to look (more or less) the same on each platform.

Second, iOS is designed to be a mobile platform where power conservation is central, while Tinderbox is designed to exploit the largely-idle computing power of modern desktop computers.  The newer iOS machines do have sufficient speed to handle Tinderbox map views, agents, and rules, but we're taxing the machine.

Third, Tinderbox is big, and it relies on some facilities (especially rich text editing) that are poorly supported on iOS.  That’s not insuperable -- Scrivener managed -- but it took Scrivener years. And that’s just one of several facilities we'll need.

Finally, it's extremely hard to sell software for iOS at a price that even comes close to supporting development.  The collapse of Vesper is just the latest in a long series of such stories. Like items 1 through 3, this issue is contingent and might well change.

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Reply #26 - Sep 26th, 2016, 12:09pm
 
Thanks Mark for this thoughtful response. Very insightful. But do I recollect correctly that you once hinted at a viewer being more manageable? I may well be wrong here, or the situation with iOS may well have changed to make that less desirable than it once seemed. I just want to be able to check my Tinderbox files, rather than edit them, mainly because I realise that a full editor might be taxing at the current stage of affairs.
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Reply #27 - Sep 26th, 2016, 12:41pm
 
Sure, a viewer is more manageable. There remain important challenges, though -- most significantly economic challenges.
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Reply #28 - Sep 26th, 2016, 12:42pm
 
@Andreas Grimm:

My workflow of using TB, Ulysses, BibLaTeX and Pandoc was disrupted shortly after my post, which explains my delay in answering. (Basically, a Pandoc issue.)

For each of my projects, I have a Tb file. Be it a monograph, edited book, or administration file, it always receives a Tb file. For the books, they contain the raw data, as well as chapter titles and bibliographies. Tb makes it very easy to reorganize the order, and I use Tb very much as a brainstormer. Moreover, for some specific textual issues (I work in Ancient Literature), I use Tb maps to chart the connections between texts, or topics. This has given me major insights over the years. And each project has its own agents, which I use intensively as well. It makes it possible to quickly mine the data for specific attributes. And all of that with an easily constructed personalized set of attributes. There are many things I would never have been able to handle without Tinderbox.

But when it comes to actual writing, I use Ulysses. Initially Ulysses 1 and 2, now 3. I find Ulysses offers the most distraction-free writing zone. Moreover, 1 and 2 exported to LaTeX (3 uses Pandoc to achieve the same), which is what I use to submit my books to the publisher. It allows me full control over the layout and fonts.

Since I had to use Pandoc, I decided to also try to use Biblatex for the very first time. A belated decision, really. But it worked a treat. The real advantage is that you never have to reformat footnotes when you reorder them. And writing them is a much more brief affair. [This is where an error manifested itself. Pandoc no longer found, it seems, my Biblatex bibliography. Since I have been focusing on other things since my post, I have not yet sorted this out, but I soon must.]

The great advantage of Ulysses 3 is that I can do quick exports to PDF—not the fully polished PDF in XeLaTeX, but acceptable for courses, notes, and  papers; but also to Word, ePub and HTML. And the footnotes are implemented in a much nicer way.

To top it off, Ulysses runs perfectly on the iPad. And it's been very reliable. Tinderbox and Ulysses are a perfect match, I could not live without either. Biblatex (in Bibdesk) and Pandoc are the dressing.
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